DNA older than our sun and preexistence of soul

Andreas von Retyi – from author-pool of Kopp-Publishers-Newsletter (Kopp-Verlag, Rottenburg) – brought very exciting news from DNA research, which I will summarize here, including presentation of the original paper from KASACHSTAN, that caused the whirlewind even in MAINSTREAM. Read orginal GERMAN by Andreas von Retyi here: http://info.kopp-verlag.de/neue-weltbilder/neue-wissenschaften/andreas-von-r-tyi/biologische-seti-ausserirdische-botschaft-in-unserem-genom-.html

1. It is THINKABLE, that LIFE startet billions (German: Milliarden) of years back from a “very old galactical civilization”.

2. This so far hypothetical “galactical civilization” MIGHT BE OLDER than “our” SUN!

3. We may hypothetisize, that this hypothetical “very old galactical civilization” transmitted to ALL SUBSEQUENT civilizations some sort of “MESSAGE” or “IMPRINT” or “WATERMARK”.

4. IN THIS LINE OF STATE OF ART FREE BRAIN-STORMING would perhaps nicely fit in a new paper, that odd enough was presented on 01.April 2013, a date, when we find  in Germany the popular custom, that folks are spreading fakes just for fun. So to insist, that this is EARNEST BUSINESS, I will ATTACH original paper from free arxiv.org! Subject of this paper was, that “within human genome there is a COMPLEX code” as some sort “incorruptible galactical message, that cannot be destroyed”, WHICH CANNOT HAVE ORIGINATED FROM THE “NATURAL” EVOLUTION (even if we have to keep in mind, that the DARWINIAN theory has seen in meantime HEAVY critics and HEAVY changings, which however is quite normal, if something is AS OLD as this theory, as I may add).

5. We now IDENTIFY the KEY-INFORMATION of the ORIGINAL paper, that caused the little exaggeration, the report of Andreas von Retyi was about.

authors: Tscherbak, Vladimir I. / [Tsherbak, V.I.] and Makatow, Maxim A. / [Makatov, M.A.]

title of paper: “The <<WOW!>> Signal of the terrestrial genetical code

publication in: ICARUS, co-editor: Carl Sagan,

submitted: 26th of June 2012

accepted: 12th of February 2013

printed: 01st of April 2013

free-copy of submitted paper, that may have seen changings during peer-reviewed publication process: http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1303/1303.6739.pdf

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THESE 1 of Tscherbak/Makatow-paper:

Human genome is NOT originated in EVOLUTION and should be tried in context of the “guided and governed panspermia” idea, which says, that life has been SEEDED and SPREAD INTENTIONALLY.

THESE 2 of Tscherbak/Makatow-paper:

Starting point in time of life, as found on planet Earth, because of theses 1 should be tried as BEFORE OUR SUN coming into existence!

THESE 3 of Tscherbak/Makatow-paper:

We now may have a look into terrestrial DNA for to SEARCH for some sort of “mark” or “imprint” or”watermark” of that hypothetical very old galactical civilization OLDER THAN OUR SUN.

METHODE:

ANALYSIS of terrestrial GENOME

RESULT

– logical structures

– not-trivial arithmetical operations in code

– ideographical patterns of a SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE

– writing convention in decimals

– logical transformations defined

– usage of an abstract equivalent for the ZERO-concept

CONCLUSIONS

” it seems, as if the genetical code has been INVENTED several BIILLIONS of years before now and that it especially was “MADE” OUTSIDE OUR SOLAR SYSTEM” – to be added: BECAUSE our solar system is not old enough for this VERY EARLY point in history of this universe.

From this preliminary conclusion it would seem, as if it might be possible, to link from here to the “galactical panspermia idea” – whatever that means or can mean in DETAIL.

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SKIPPED in this summary is Andreas von Retyi`s comment on the HISTORICAL BACKGROUND of the term “WOW-Signal”, which has something to do with the SETI project in which was received ONE TIME ONLY a signal peak with 21,10611405413 cm microwave at “big ear” of Ohio State University by a certain Dr. Ehmann on 15th of August 1975, to wich Dr. Ehman made a written comment like “WOW!”!!

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Andreas von Retyi ADDED some information about probable age of some astronomical objects:

Beryllium-distribution in some very old spherical star-clusters of our galaxy is hinting to age of 13,6 billion years (German: 13,6 Milliarden). This is set against a minimal figure of 13 billion years Andreas von Retyi is telling without naming the source of information.

Age of our SUN is given with – at moment – 4,6 billion years (German: Milliarden).

Possible START of LIFE within our Solar System is given with 3,9 billion years – without quoting source whatever.

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Andreas von Retyi has one final question from all this:

What may have been the intention of that “very old galactical civilization” to SPREAD LIFE AT ALL.

Which would include to continue with:

WHY MAY HAVE BEEN CHOOSEN THIS SPECIAL METHOD OF SPREADING.

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Some addition from Buike Science And Music:

It now would be nice, to know, HOW OLD THE HUMAN SOUL is?!

Well, somewhere in my head is lurking in the background, that “souls of humans have been created BEFORE the visible universe coming into existence!”

HOWEVER, in trying to back up this assumption by propper quotations from propper sources, we got really in trouble like follows:

It seems, that a GENERAL TEACHING of some sort of “preexistence of human soul” is in writings of ORIGINES, which however caused HEAVY DISSENT among early Christians leading to CONDEMNATION of the teachings of preexistence of human soul on the SECOND Synode of Constantinople in 554 a.D..

Now , if you would like, to LEARN, what this general assembly of the Christian Church decided in DETAIL, you may be nearly lost, because it is said, that the GREEK PAPERS and DOCUMENTS of this assembly were DESTROYED by fire, so that there MAY be traces, if any,  ONLY in LATIN sources, of which MAY be some mentioned in “Denzinger: Enchiridion Symbolorum”, which is a famous GERMAN collection on DOGMATICAL TEXTS of Western Christianity. Well, I am not going to check Denzinger here and may add a link to Geramn Wikipedia on the “Second assembly at Constinople” http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweites_Konzil_von_Konstantinopel

What seems so far certain however may be, that the TEACHINGS ON PREEXISTENCE OF HUMAN SOUL, at LEAST in teaching of Origines, WERE CONDEMNED – and therefor are to be  treated as HERETICAL, at least by any socalled “true believer”.

So, what`s up here: HAVE I SUCH BECOME A HERETIC WITHOUT KNOWING IT? Odd feeling, really!

Next surprise is, that for JEWISH origins of any teachings on some sort of “preexistence of the soul” often is taken in context of Western Christendom  “Wisdom, 8,20”, which entire book however is MISSING in any LUTHERAN bible and only can be found in CATHOLIC and ORTHODOX bibles.

Next difficulty is, that quotation of “Wisdom 8,20” simply NEEDS Wisdom, 8.19, to have a COMPLETE sentence, and we read

– START of Quotation –

19 I was a boy of happy disposition, I had received a good soul as my lot,

20 or rather, being good, I had entered an undefiled body;”

– END of Quotation –

source: Catholic Online – Internet-Adress – http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=27&bible_chapter=8&submit=Go

Now go  on and wonder, because MY GERMAN bible is telling me as COMMENT to this SINGLE HALF-SENTENCE of Wisdom 8, 20″ the following:

“Die Seele als das eigentliche Ich ist ausschlaggebend, nicht der Leib. Eine längere Präexistenz wird nicht gelehrt, noch weniger Seelenwanderung.” – source: Hamp, Vinzenz/ Stenzel, Meinrad / Kürzinger, Josef (eds.): Die Heilige Schrift des Alten und Neuen Testamentes, Aschaffenburg: Pattloch s.a. (Vorwort von 1964), S. 770. Fußnote 8,20

This reads in my translation to English similar to the following:

“The soul as the  EGO “stricte sensu”  is decisive, not the body. NO PREEXISTENCE is taught here, at least not a preexistence of some remarkable duration , and [especially] NO  “transmigration of souls” AT ALL.”

Well, what we here learn is simply NEAR TO NOTHING – and I give for further reading the link to the ENGLISH comment on “soul” as in above quotation from Catholic online – http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=10963 – which may or may not be compared with German Wikipedia on “soul = SEELE”.

So what we REALLY learn here is, that there was – or is – a JEWISH-HEBREW teaching on the SOUL, which VERY POSSIBLY MIGHT NOT BE DISCLOSED IN FULL and was under RABBINIC SECRECY, which is to be taken VERY, VERY seriously, so that I may add information on German printed source on this subject as follows:

Wewers, Gerd A.: Geheimnis und Geheimhaltung im rabbinischen Judentum, Berlin: de Gruyter 1975 – google books – http://books.google.de/books?id=WrLlYTMXOl8C&pg=PA46&lpg=PA46&dq=Praeexistenz+im+Judentum&source=bl&ots=c81owNxMoJ&sig=cWr4ep2iBlKzD7LwazsvTggD_Zg&hl=de&sa=X&ei=gaxvUYvrLsHDPNTYgPgC&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=Praeexistenz%20im%20Judentum&f=false

To make our confusion more plain, we may add here, that the Hebrew teachings have additionally some telling about a “preexistence of the Thora” PLUS a “preexistence of the MESSIAH – may he be blessed!” – which really IS something for mulling over …

But things would not get better, if now turning  to good old PLATON and his teachings on a “preexistence of IDEAS”. That is RATHER COMPLICATED STUFF, that we find reflexes of even in philosophy of  Gottfried Wilhelm LEIBNITZ for instance – not to mention, that since the 19th century it has become accepted, that in Platon we have a “hidden teaching” as well …

This however is NOT THE END of our research and we even have to add, that there is material out there dealing with some sort of “preexistence of Christ” – which probably has something to do with the Jewish teachings on “preexistence of MESSIAH” – .

In the end we have a dissapointing and even devastating result:

THERE IS NO WAY TO GET DECISIVE RESULTS FROM STUDY OF KEYWORDS AS LISTED HERE – and it seems, that THERE ARE SOME IN THE KNOW, THAT HOWEVER DO NOT FEEL INCLINED TO LET US MORTAL EARTHLINGS PARTICIPATE IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE – provided it is not WILLFUL poinsoning the sources and destroying documents behind it all!

The real riddle however may be, FROM WHERE ENTERED THE SENCTENCE MY CONSCIOUSNESS, THAT SOUL OF MAN IS OLDER THAN THE UNIVERSE AND WAS – or rather may have been -CREATED BEFORE THE VISIBLE UNIVERSE COMING INTO EXISTENCE:

Honestly, I DON`T know – and it all may turn out in the end BLOODY NONSENSE?!

Before such desastrous result , you may prefer to consult other sources  for further studies, as listed below:

[Buzzard, Anthony]: Das Wesen der Praeexistenz im Neuen Testament – web-adress: http://www.monotheismus.ch/index.php/artikel/neues-testament/204-das-wesen-der-praeexistenz-im-neuen-testament

Zum Praeexistenz-Begriff, in: Frankemölle, Hubert, Frühjudentum und Urchristentum, Stuttgart: Kohlhammer 2006, Abschnitt 2.5.1, S. 171 – (173?) – google-books – http://books.google.de/books?id=Nl6ou4VxuOcC&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=Praeexistenz+im+Judentum&source=bl&ots=zBknlHl9ih&sig=f3_l2cD0kjSys5lmckEL7bmQPWM&hl=de&sa=X&ei=C6tvUayMIIrTPMu7gIAE&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Praeexistenz%20im%20Judentum&f=false

And very certainly, I  for the time being feel not inclined to go into bibliographical research here, because I have LOTS of OTHER ideas waiting to be pinned down!

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Follow up: 28. September 2013

We have in our orthodox parish a little girl, that once told me something about a “FIRST SUN”, which as some sort of KEYWORD she repeatedly mentioned, without however giving more detailed information, which she could not, because it may have referred to some DREAMY memory.

Now let`s try: IF THE DNA IS OLDER THAN THIS OUR SUN, this would imply, that from the “view of the DNA” THIS OUR SUN CANNOT BE a “first sun”, but should be a “1-plus-n- Sun”.

Now let`s  guess HOW MANY SUNS? Well, you see, we have the rests of the books from the AZTECS in MEXICO, that are counting up to a FIFTH SUN (really: I have checked that!).

HOWEVER, the Aztecs lived at around the 14th to 16th century AFTER Christ – and therefor are RATHER young.  The next step would be now, to ask, from WHERE the Aztecs had there idea. This would be the question for any PREDECESSORS of the Aztecs, which are the TOLTECS at around  the 10th to 12th century AFTER Christ. Only if we take the OLMECS from the Eastern shore of the  Gulf of Mexiko and the LA-VENTA-findings we would reach around 900 BEFORE Christ.  In short: The question of Aztec predecessors would led into difficult research with RATHER UNCERTAIN propect to get any reasonable results!

I may continue with the OLAM-concept of HEBREW writings, but not in the sense of the 4 olams of socalled “cabbalah”, but with the following CORRELATION to a well-known Christian saying “[God] from eternity to eternity” correlated – just for the sake of argument – with the Hebrew “[God] from olam to olam”. This is not my idea, but picked somewhere from the books of Zecharia Sitchin.

Now go on: The “normal meaning” of “olam” would be “world” – from which we in the case of the “linguistic subject”  GOD may try to proceed to “[God] from sun-system to sun-system” and even to “[God] from galaxy to galaxy”.

If speaking like this, we even would be able to refer to a meaning of “not detailed very long duration of time and epoches and eras” – introducing for instance the “equation”: 1 olam = 1 eternity = 1 sun-system (from start to end) = 1 galaxy (from start to end).  At least such we would CONSTRUCT a “God of considerable multitude of eternities”.

Last but not least I may hint to the necessity, to COMBINE the VERY-OLD-AGE assumption for the DNA with the NEW idea recently discussed of the UNIVERSE TRIED AS SOME SORT OF VERY SMALL PIXELED (Planck-spheres) “computer-simulation”, to which recently was ADDED the IDEA, to TRY the THEORIES OF FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICS STARTING WITH THE EINSTEINIAN THEORIES AS SOME SORT OF GAME-THEORY! Well, you see, this might not be REALLY new stuff – because we have in the Russian-orthodox tradition ICONS in PIXELED EMBROIDERY (Stickerei) ….

In the end I rather would tend to the following “working thesis”: ANY KIND OF ATHEISM IS NOT REASONABLE …

If you are a follower of HEBREW-originated Christian traditons WE EVEN HAVE EXPRESSIS VERBIS ACCOUNT, that the GOD OF ISRAEL IN HIS “CHABOD” ENTERED THE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM THROUGH THE EASTERN GATE – the Earth ANSWERING HIS APPROACH with the EMITTANCE of a SPECIAL SHINING of LIGHT or ENERGY ….

Well, back to the little girl with his strange saying about a “first sun”: This may be correlated with esoteric traditions elsewhere telling something of a FIRST SUN at the CENTER OF THE VISIBLE UNIVERSE, so to say at the BORDER TO THE ETERNAL NEVER CREATED REALMS OF GOD, WHERE HE APPEARS BEYOND the restrictions of His creation!!

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Follow up 02. January 2014

source: Kopp-publishers Newsletter – http://info.kopp-verlag.de/neue-weltbilder/neue-wissenschaften/redaktion/wissenschaftler-entdecken-geheimen-code-in-der-menschlichen-dns.html

date: 22.12.2013

author: collective of “redaction”

subject: Wissenschaftler entdecken geheimen Code in der menschlichen DNA (“scientists detect a secret code in human DNA)

original source: Science, 13 December 2013: Vol. 342 no. 6164 pp. 1367-1372 – DOI: 10.1126/science.1243490 –  http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6164/1367.abstract – authors: John A. Stamatoyannopoulos et alii – Exonic Transcription Factor Bindin Directs Codon Choice and Affects Protein Evolution

abstract:

a) Some of the 64 codons of the human DNA have a DOUBLE MEANING.

b) If we see the normal function of the 64 codons if DNA in controlling the synthesis of PROTEINS, we now should add, that SOME CODONS AT THE SAME TIME write code-patches ON THE BASIC 64-Codons-Code with the function to CONTROLL  GENES. (“Gen” normally is defined as a “x-tupel of codons” arranged in some sort of GROUPS and ACTING together …)

c) It seems, that the now found second “code-writing-procedure” is playing a role in the developement of DISEASES, meaning vice versa, that humand science may try to develop methods to INTERFERE exactly at those “points” delivered by the SECOND CODE in DNA.

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Well, next probleme  with DNA may be, whether there are MORE “codes into code” – and which might be the CODE-GOVERNING LEVEL. say perhaps DIRECT LIGHT EMISSION BY and IN  BIOLOGICAL CELLS (searchword: BIOPHOTONS ) AS CONNECTED TO SURROUNDING SPACE-SIGNALS … see for instance Fosar/Bludorf and Gariaev

Follow up 06th January 2014

We have an additional difficulty in present DNA-research, in that it was objected, that DNA-molecule has NOT SUFFICIENT CAPACITY to function as storage for COMPLETE information for the chemical synthesis of ALL substances necessary to sustain life.. .

To make it short here I add reference from Kopp-Publisher`s Newsletter of 07th of Oct. 2013 – http://info.kopp-verlag.de/hintergruende/enthuellungen/mike-adams/die-grosse-luege-der-genetik-entlarvt-die-menschliche-dns-ist-nicht-in-der-lage-den-gesamten-baupl.html

core-quotation: “Die Wahrheit ist: 20 000 Gene bieten nicht genug Datenspeicherkapazität für den Bauplan eines Menschen.” –
My rough translation: The truth is: 20.000 genes have no sufficient storage-capacity to keep up with the COMPLETE “construction-plan” of man.

The main argument of Kopp-Publishers-Newsletter AGAINST MATERIALISTIC concepts wide spread among today researchers in this field is a REGRESS ON THE SOCALLED “MORPHOGNETIC RESONANCE FIELDS” of author  RUPERT SHELDRAKE, which is an idea known since long – and may FALL SHORT in “explanatory force” if seen in connection with Fosar/Bludorf or Gariaev, which are suggesting, that DNA is COMMUNICATIONG WITH THE ENTIRE SURROUNDING UNIVERSE, we may say via DIFFERENT FORMS OF ENERGY spread in the visible Cosmos, for instance energies from cosmos hitting planet earth as “elfes” or “gamma-lightenings” or “sferics” and other rather surprising phenomenons from LIGHTNING-RESEARCH, not to speak of different LIGHT-phenomenos, including for instance BIOPHOTONS – as said above.

related readings may cover the following:

Von der Wissenschaft bestätigt: Sie können DNS wirklich verändern -Carolanne Wright

Biologische SETI: Außerirdische Botschaft in unserem Genom?  – Andreas von Rétyi

–  Amerikanische Forscher erzeugen 30 genmanipulierte menschliche Babys – D. Holt [this  article of PRODUCTION OF HUMAN BABIES WITH TECHNOLOGICAL ALTERED GENETICS (!!!!)   may again PROOF THE ABSOLUTE GODLESS REGRET OF ANY BORDERS SET UP BY THE CREATOR OF EVERYTHING by the very small minority of very advanced researches  – very possibly leading to manmade CATASTROPHES, that eventually may CAUSE a NEED, that HIGHER GALACTICAL CONTROLL-BODIES MAY HAVE TO INTERFERE WITH EARTHLY MATTERS AGAINH, especially TO SET THINGS RIGHT!]

Buike Science And Music

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